careful when removing the masking tape. I use the Tamiya sponges dry as there so little material being removed. Don't soak it and than try to clean up with it that wet. Curing time depends primarily on temperature. Strip and start over. I had researched this well, watching several videos before giving it a go. As such it will eat through your solvent-based barrier (Gloss Coat). Candy Enamel top coats: I'm hoping I continue to be lucky. Ah man, what a bummer. Some plastics react poorly to enamel washes and will crumble or become brittle and snap when touched. Even then the coverage will be uneven, and the weight begins to mount up. Kev Stay tuned. Paints are now being labeled with the pigment, the vehicle, or the solvent. I can feel your pain. Itâs 27â Celsius and sunny in Melbourne today so the acrylic coats are touch dry in 10 mins. I have always been a Tamiya arcrylic user but I'm trying to improve the detail of panel lines- have been wanting to use the Tamiya enamel panel liner but was wondering if you had any tips as to how to protect the arcrylic layers below? By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. It sounds like you may have learned a lot along the way and your next kit will be even better. One suggestion if you have it is to pop 1 drop of retarder or flow improver into the mix as well. I have had no problem with Tamiya bonding to unprimed plastic, provided the plastic was CLEAN, and the paint was THOROUGHLY cured. Make sure that when doing clean up, you just get the cotton bud DAMP. Only the Humbrol will eat through the plastic bottles. Let the Gloss coat dry for at least 24 hours (i let it dry for 2 days minimum) 4. But I'm wondering how long I should wait before masking a painted surface for camo. Thanks for the advice everyone. Concur with rlhart13. Drying time depends on temperature and relative humidity. I've never had fully curred Tamiya paint come off the surface with a masking material of any kind. What happens is the problem you describe...where the paints dry at different rates (this happens more with enamel i belive as lacquers have a little faster drying time) OR crazing happens because the lacquer/enamel paint does not fully gas out. But as I said, I do use a tack cloth afterwards. As a matter of fact, one of the model shows I attended had a weathering class where the instructor used Tamiya clear semigloss as a barrier over Alclad metallic paint he was weathering. I can personally attest to having problems brush painting the Tamiya Acrylics, however they work beautifully when airbrushed. Personally I'd be very reluctant to mask unprimed acrylic at any Acrylic Gloss Coat X 2 (I use Future Floor Shine), 3. For enamel, I use the "sniff" test to make sure the piece is completely dry. Krylon also puts out a matte or dull clear coat. Depending on what type of solvent type used to clean up, it may or may not attack another solvent type surface so why risk it? Also, I like to lay a clear coat down In my experience airbrushing it, it dries to the touch within a few minutes, and at about 30 minutes to an hour you can easily apply decals. I waited ~36 hours, and using Tamiya tape (which is nice and lo-tack) I noticed that the painted underside was fragile - had just a little bit of pull-up. However, I think you will find most users on here will agree the Testors does a far superior job. As an aside, my frustrations with finding a good and consistent gloss coat have inspired me to pit pretty much all the ones I can find against each other, head to head. Hey folks - I've recently discovered the joy of working with Tamiya's acrylics in the AB. Always best to experiment on a test mule. or laquer, acrylics do not adhere well to bare plastic so be very, very When using Tamiya Clear Flat (matt varnish, NOT Flat Base), what is the best thinning ratio for spraying, and what's the prefered thinner ? I was planning on using 3mm Tamiya masking take to make sure the line along the bottom is as straight as can be. ... X-22 is not designed to be used as clear coat ⦠1) enamels OR acrylics should dry/cure overnight, unless doing multiple coats of the same color, then just an hour or so; 2) enamels OR acrylics should dry/cure 3-5 days before masking; 3) NEVER put enamel over acrylic or acrylic over enamel until the under coat has cured a full week. I apply the Tamiya acrylic base coat, let it dry, then apply a pledge floor polish coat to help protect the paint and make panel lining easier. After a day or two drying time, I rub it out the X-22 with 1,500 then 4,000 foam pads for a smooth decaling surface. Anyone have any horror stories? For best results allow up to one week. We've all been in the same position where we really liked a kit and then something ate it or we made a mistake that spoiled it. To be on the safe side I never use a solvent type wash over a solvent type topcoat. "The farther back you look, the farther forward you are likely to see." High humidity slows drying, high temperature speeds it. Ive used Vallejos clear gloss for a few models and have noticed that I can still leave fingerprints in the finish even after a week of letting it dry. Well, the thinner seems to have eaten into the gloss coat and it looks awful - it started looking ghostly white. Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!! The initial masking that I had to do was just to prevent overspray onto the pre-painted underside of an aircraft - an 1/48 Hasegawa Hs-129 B3 that (convenientally) has a nicely angled fuselage, so there wasn't too much masking to do. Consider every kit you've ruined to be one more mistake you won't make again and soon you will be mistake free (a man can dream). Your paint job is screwed. For Tamiya panel liner I found just a dry q tip will take the excess off fine. ... Spray the second colour in the same way as the first: light coat, drying time, heavy coat, drying time. And will an enamel clear coat be fine over acrylic?? That means not less than 24 hours at 68° F, preferably 36 to 48 hours. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. I just did my Tamiya with X22 and it came out great but I did 2 coats over 3 days, being careful how I handled it. A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing…. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/87131_133panel_accent/index.htm. Theoretically itâs quite possible to get 4 coats of paint on in one day â but only if the weather is on your side. Leveling Thinner, followed by a misted coat of straight leveling thinner.â I suppose that X-19 should read something else (maybe X-22) cause X-19 is Smoke and unless you intend to cover your model with some sort of dark filter, it wouldnât do. I totally agree with the pros on here who say to coat with future and then use the panel wash. Future works really well for these products in my experience. Tamiya Panel Line Accent - 1st time problems. It's a shame your paint job did not turn out, but it's definitely a learning experience and there is always a second time! As a rule of thumb before applying any sort of enamel based washes to plastic I always apply 2 coats of Future floor polish over the surface, making sure there's no where for the wash to sneak into. Even though Tamiya is not a true acrylic, I have NEVER had issues using solvent type washes over it. I've found that Tamiya panel liner is a bit hot. Itâs a British paints clear coat paint and prime satin finish. So there is something in there that is a bit too strong for some applications. âAdequateâ is a âhow long is a piece of stringâ question, and will vary on temperature, humidity, the type of paint, and how thick you put it on. The enamel thinner will immediatly disolve the Metalizer paint. My last build was painted with Tamyia lacquer Italian Red and over coated with Testors' flat lacquer. I’m sorry that it happened but you’re not alone we’ve all learned from our mistakes. Humbrol enamel thinners are quite potent in terms of dissolving power. Works great for both sludge washes and pin washes. Faster drying time, better levelling, better atomisation, smoother, glossier finish. Should I be nervous, however, to do extensive masking on them even if they've cured a few days and if they're on a primed surface? How about liquid mask products on an acrylic surface? Allow to cure for 1 hour before coating with Alclad Candy Enamels. Try the sequence below...works for me everytime and i got it from the guys and gals on this forum! As a general rule, always prime. With very light dust coats, the solvent wont stay liquid long enough to attack them. In fact, I keep many solvents in small, plastic dropper bottles--everything from Humbrol thinners to lacquer thinner. Oil paint washes (Windsor and Newton oil paints with odorless turpentine). Use Testors Clear Dullcoat. I don't like that stuff, for reasons stated previously. between colors, just to "seal the deal" if you know what I mean. Though it will thin Tamiya paint, never use water as a thinner. I use an acrylic like Future or Aqua Gloss as a barrier coat. The enamel thinner is too hot and will eat through almost anything. Even with the Airscale decals, the P-51B cockpit is a little bit on the spartan side. Some say as soon as itâs dry, others say wait 24 hours?? I guess some folks have problems with them but I have had none so far (knock wood). I have used Tamiya Panel Line directly over Vallejo with no ill affects with the exception of some shadowing where the liner pigment gets trapped among the paint pigments. Therefore, following an overall base coat, details can be added or picked out using enamel and/or acrylic paints. I've had thick coats of Halfords paint take several weeks to cure hard enough to be immune to fingerprints in winter. i have not had a problem with this sequence since i started using it. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. I've used no primer, I'll be using Tamiya's tape too, and I know this paint dries fast but I think it may take a while to cure fully so that it can handle being masked over. The paint is a synthetic lacquer that cures in a short period of time. On a hot/warm day, Tamiya primers are often dry to the touch within several minutes, but I usually wait an hour or two before painting over it to make sure its ⦠As Malcolm says, X20A to thin so you're good to go. As I'm novice- how is it best applied? View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois. Are you talking about the X-22 clear? The same can happen to stickers if you are painting clear coat on top of them. Each contains 100ml of paint, which is enough to fully cover 2 or 3, 1/24 scale sized car bodies. Our community is FREE to join. Tamiya panel line is a strong solvent-based product. better). I lay down a coat of acrylic Vallejo Satin Varnish and never had a problem with Tamiya panel liner removing underlying acrylic base. Tamiya spray paints are not affected by acrylic or enamel paints. Thanks. It is even a nice top coat for decals over ⦠If it's some kind of spray can, you might want to wait longer though, as spray cans mist a lot more paint onto the model and usually take longer to fully cure. Adhesion is indifferent in my experience, and they need several coats at angles to each other. Also when cleaning up try something milder like turpenoid. Even when sprayed indoors. I have used the Mr. Color clears over MM enamel, Tamiya acrylics, and Vallejo acrylics without a problem. My rule of thumb is to always mix my media. No problem here since I'm going back and dry brushing to pop the shadows intended by the panel liner. time. These are the instructions for using Tamyia Panel Line: https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/87131_133panel_accent/index.htm. Clean with the odorless turpentine . Thanks again. My question is, how long do I really need to let the base coat dry for before applying pledge? It will slow the drying time and allow the gloss coat to settle even more. To participate you must either login or register for an account. You may have to put the weathering on a little thick or use multiple applications as a clear coat may fade the weathering. Tiny cracks would appear in the surface as the Future dried. If you spray a heavy, wet coat directly over other types of paints, or even over decals....all sorts of undesirable things might occur. Apply 1 medium coat at 20-30PSI to clean bare plastic. I used Testors' enamel thinner to clean up the excess Tamyia Panel Line with no problem.The Tamyia Panel Liner is an enamel paint and must be cleaned up with enamel thinner. A lot of the newer enamel washes and effects are designed for adding dirt and grime, they will collect in recesses and start chewing away at it if you over apply. What have I done wrong? It's best to apply them in small amounts over the gloss and don't let them pool. I have Iso alcohol, or water, and I can get the very small bottles of Tamiya thinner. As the carrier evaporates the shine will develop. Sorry you ran into this on your pride and joy. Much better performance than with X-20A in my opinion. 3.4oz (100ml) can of Tamiya Color Spray Lacquer for Plastic Models (TS-80 Gloss Clear) For Adult Modelers Only. The key is to apply a mist coat...let that dry for 15 minutes or so before you spray heavier coats. Leave adequate drying time between coats. If I have painted with Acrylics I wash & detail with a solvent-based product (oils thinned with Turpenoid). i have not had a problem with this sequence since i ⦠I have found that using drafting ink in Dk.Grey and Black work well . Here in Canada, it can take up to 3 days. Fortunately I'll be able to touch this up pretty easily. the surface will dry long before the inside cures. We have to develop new rules of thumb. âClear Gloss â Tamiya X-19 Clear + Gunze Mr. Particulary as enamels are harder to find. Our community is FREE to join. Read the fine print on the side panel of the label: "Danger, EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE liquid and vapor, Contents Ethyl Benzene, Xylene, Mineral Spirit, and Pigment.". We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. I totally agree Don.....So i will edit my post by saying that i use Vallejo, Tamiya and Model Master acrylic paints exclusively. actually before clear coating with most clear coat paints you should wait a month or more...more with lacquers and enamels. I thought that it was easier to put on a glossy coat. Ross Martinek The Tamiya product is actually a thin ink. Good luck and let us know how it goes! Some people say a minimum of 2 days, other say a couple hours ⦠Will digest and tread carefully through this minefield. 2. Computer, did we bring batteries?.....Computer? I am eager to finish this puppy (the lack of noxious fumes is a real pleasure) but I don't want to destroy my work so far. Cool temperatures generally slow curing, warmer temperatures speed it up. I've done this as well. least 24 hours to cure (48 would be better, and more even Didn't have to spray a really heavy coat ⦠I have had my best luck with Tamiya acrylics, thinned with water. They stay on after you do your lines and then clearcoat them .Then Topcoat . I waited a few minutes for it to dry, then use Humbrol enamel thinner on a cotton bud to clean up. Ain't no reason to hang my head, I could wake up in the mornin' dead. Dry time 15-30 minutes. The solvents in the Tamiya will not affect the underlaying paint through the acrylic barrier coat. Avoid using in excessively damp or humid conditions.Finger marks on the bare plastic will appear in the final finish. We now have acrylic lacquers. If so- how would you advise their use? in which i explore the many legends of this apparently magical way of making yo model shine like a diamond in a goat's ass. The old fashioned way of doing things. It always slops over, leaving a big cleanup job, and I end up with an "overweathered" model that just looks dirty all over. If I have to mask it, it WILL get primed. is pledge with future appropriate here? Enamel thinner should not damage a lacquer paint, UNLESS you use enamel thinner over Testors' lacquer Metalizer Paints. Looked a little like what you see in a drying creek bed. Oil paint washes (Windsor and Newton oil paints with odorless turpentine) 5. One problem these days is that the definition of the type of paint is broadening. I think most people have problems brushing the paint, not spraying. Hi, I know you replied here 6 months ago- wondering if you can help, or anyone for that matte. I just love how easy they are to work with and clean up. I suspect that is the problem. Let the Gloss coat dry for at least 24 hours (i let it dry for 2 days minimum), 4. A Little Bling. Give it at If I am painting with enamels with a lacquer (Gloss Coat) sealer, I will wash & detail with a water or alcohol-based material (water paint or ink). Back to the D.520â¦after being burned way too many times, I refused to trust the Tamiya decals, so I picked up a sheet from Berna Decals. He liked the semigloss cause it gave enough bite for the solvent type filters and artist oil paints but could easily be cleaned up. Disclaimer: I use Mr. Color Thinner, rather than Tamiya's lacquer thinner, but they're essentially the same stuff. I'd hate to do all that work and then have it wrecked. And clear coat with an acrylic seams to help - but I run into these paint/thinner compatiblities a lot as well. If it hasn't dried it will be absorbed and unless you're painting a light colour it should clean up perfectly. Unlike enamel If you are of a mind to try it, Tamiya lacquer thinner will deliver even better results than X-20A, as it extends the drying time a little more and gives the paint more time to level. Tamiya âPCâ paints. Tamiya USA Featured Items Paint & Finishing Products Painting is one of the most important steps in the model-making process, and quality coloring is made easy using Tamiya paint and finishing materials! This will prevent the clear coat from cracking due to different cure rates from the paint underneath. In other words, wait for the primer coat to be completely dry before going to the color coat, and wait for the color coat to be completely dry before going to the clear coat, etc. I made a similar mistake on a Mk.IV a few months ago with Tamiya panel wash. Most panel lines don't hold enough of them for this to be a problem but it's always best to do 2 thin coats than 1 large. Yea it could deffiantly be the thinner, I know it claims water wash up but I've tried with brushes just washing with soap and water and it never works. One of my first builds...i did the exact same thing. Any ideas? No matter how careful I am when applying it, it does not just stay in the panel lines, as it should. 3. Instead use a water/acrylic based barrier coat, such as Future or Pledge w/ Future. Various details were picked out with some light drybrushing and detail painting with Vallejo âGlossy Blackyâ, Tamiya XF-7 Red, Floquil Old Silver, and Model Master Chrome Silver topped with Tamiya Clear Red to represent indicator lights. I think I've managed to wreck one of the finest builds I've ever done!I coated my FW190 in Testors gloss coat, let it dry, and applied Tamiya Panel Line Accent. So I have come to the point where I'm satisfied with the top of the fuselage, now it's time for the belly of the aircraft. or are other detailing media better? You may have to do some tests on some scraps. Allow the paint to be clear-coated to fully cure before applying TS13. Thanks everyone for the feedback. It won't yellow, and it is also compatible with almost anything I can think of since it is water based. I don't use dullcoat or Tamiya panel line accent color, so I don't have any recommendations for those two products. Works great for both sludge washes and pin washes. I just tried using Tamiya Clear Acrylic as my gloss coat. When I have a contract model to build the only clear coat I use is Tamiya X-22 clear acrylic. Dip the cotton bud into the turpentine, Roll it on paper towel until ALMOST dry than clean up. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Not sure what rubbing alchol would do to a clear coat, but thats what I use to clean all my brushes after using Tamiya paints, works like a charm. Seems to dry harder as well. I guess in the future I'll always prime with acrylics. The top of the aircraft is much more complex, so I'm using MM enamels since there will be a few different masking jobs for a winter camo pattern. What sort of time frame should I give before spraying an enamel clear coat? Acrylics cure from the outside in, like most paints, and - Winston Churchill. Re not alone we ’ ve all learned from our mistakes use is Tamiya clear! Not alone we ’ ve all learned from our mistakes up, you get! 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