This article aims to contribute to a better conceptualization of pain and suffering by providing non-essential and non-naturalistic definitions of both phenomena. Eleven, we must look to Jesus in our suffering.Of course I’m thinking of Hebrews 12: “…looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith… [the founder and protector of our faith], who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the majesty on high.”. of suffering, and looks at many Scriptures on the subject. I. One thinks of The Bridge Over the River Kwai. Eighthly, God sanctifies through the experience of suffering. I think that’s particularly what the book of Job is about, that some suffering happens not because of something that we do. We must actually come to the point where we glory in tribulation, seeing it as the vehicle through which God sanctifies, seeing it as the vehicle through which God will be given all the glory. It’s been said that the way you train is the way you will perform. Sixthly, this life is not the only one and I think that’s something that suffering needs to bring out in considerable force…that we are here only for a time…that our life is three-score years and ten, and if by reason of strength, maybe four-score years. I think, for example, of C.S. Second, I offer a working definition of “suffering” and offer examples of suffering in Luke-Acts under four headings: persecution, oppression or injustice, natural adversity, and retribution. Have you ever considered Leviathan?” Have you ever asked yourself the question, ‘Why did God make a crocodile?’ Well, why did God make a crocodile? I just fail to see how that is even remotely comforting. First, I briefly survey scholarship on Luke’s theology of suffering. Now that’s very different from saying that all [suffering] is the result of my personal sin or personal failure. First of all, one form of suffering is satanic. This article aims to contribute to a better conceptualization of pain and suffering by providing non-essential and non-naturalistic definitions of both phenomena. OUR VIEW O F SUFFERING V S. GOD’S VIEW A. Without a theology of suffering, we will assume something is wrong, broken, or out of balance whenever we face trials. Father, we are in awe at Your majesty and sovereignty. a. The secular idol of physical health and beauty, as what I call the negation of ugliness, weakness, and death, and I don’t elaborate too much on that, but I think that we have made health and beauty an idol, and I think we are dangerously close to that in the modern church in a way that the church has never done before in its entire history, I think. As I walked through the door…I said hello to him and he left, and I went up to the lady, and she was in tears. ]…Eliphaz says to Job, ‘You reap what you sow. The experience of physical pain and/or mental distress. The fact is that Scripture presents their judgment as a consequence of their sin. Suffering doesn’t automatically sanctify. And that’s precisely what Eliphaz and his friends are doing in the book of Job. Spiritual depression is linked with theological ineptitude. But I do know the bottom line is, “for His own glory.”, Blessing is not automatically derived from suffering. I’m thinking especially of Thomas Boston (and I’m putting him as a Puritan…his theology is Puritan)…Thomas Boston’s The Crook in the Lot, and Flavel’s The Mystery of Providence. Zoroastrianism, for example… Manichaeism. And so little by little he attempts to undo the doctrine of the sovereignty of God in suffering, and actually engages in quite unhelpful remarks about the family’s faith and trust in God…and he tries to do so as a friend. I’ll never forget the last day I saw her just a few days before she died in her home, in which she spoke so matter-of-factly about being in heaven. Whoever wrote Psalm 88 — his name has gone from my mind, but you’re with him. Well, thank you for coming along today to this seminar. We could spend an hour trying to undo all of these responses, but I’m just suggesting some of them. 5. Students will create visual projects and applications for transformational discipleship and leadership. But you’re with him, and you’re with Job, and you’re with Jeremiah. Building a robust theology of suffering both prepares us for and acquaints us with the journey we have been called to walk. David Hume, the famous philosophical skeptic, put it in a way that’s been cited and quoted and re-quoted and regurgitated in many different forms, but it appeared first of all in his Concerning Natural Religion: “If God is willing to prevent evil, is He willing to prevent evil but not able? And why is it a problem? By natural evil we mean evil that isn’t of particular human volition or action. An issue of course that’s under great stress and even denial today in certain evangelical quarters is ‘How can somebody suffer on the part of or in the place of, or as a substitute for another?’ That seems to some to be inherently unjust. Let me close in prayer. An intellectual response. We can never doubt God’s love for us, who gave himself for us in Jesus Christ, to die the accursed death of the cross. supports HTML5 video. You remember He shows him Behemoth and Leviathan. On the cross, Jesus not only embraced human suffering in an incomparable way, but also made suffering redemptive. We are to consider Christ, to think through the significance of His advent and His work. Now let’s be clear here. God sanctifies through the experience of suffering. All circumstances in our Christian lives are ordered by God. It’s part of what Hebrews 12 is trying to avoid. Some non-believers adopt a docetic view of suffering, which denies the reality of pain altogether. Cultural Myths about Suffering 1. The Puritans, if they were strong in anything at all, were strong on the issue of suffering. I watch Animal Planet, and I think people who play about with alligators and crocodiles are nuts! Friedrich Nietzsche shared at least one fundamental concern with the religions and metaphysical systems that he so criticized: the problem of suffering and how one deals with it. Sometimes I think that we resort too quickly to illness as punishment, illness as a message of some kind from God Almighty. We are unskilled in the word of righteousness, inept in applying its great doctrines to the anxieties of life. Well, illness may have a disciplinary sanctifying purpose without necessarily bearing any relation to past sins. When we find ourselves caught in the violent grip of fatigue, suffocating in the terror of the soul’s dark night, we need a song to sing. Bowler explains that the prosperity gospel movement rose out of the New Thought movement of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. You were drawn like a bee to honey [maybe the metaphor needs to be changed now], but you were drawn to go to a seminar on suffering because in your current experience darkness is your only friend. He conquered evil with good. Original reason for suffering 3. That’s a very considerable issue that if we don’t see suffering and trial as something that must produce in us more praise for God, more yielding to His sovereignty…. There was a short period in my life where I was affected a little bit by the so-called “by faith” formula; that the reason why you are not well is because you haven’t exercised faith. God may bring suffering into our lives as He did into the life of Job, not because of anything that he had done, but because of what God wanted to do in the life of Job: teach him; instruct him; bring him low in order that he might exalt the sovereignty of God; that he might put his hand upon his mouth — a phrase, by the way, that Paul picks up when he’s expounding on sin in Romans 2 and 3 — “that every mouth may be stopped.” And that’s what God did in the life of Job. Immediate acquiescence to suffering is not necessarily a sign of Christian maturity. The abandonment of sovereignty. One thinks about the writings of Clarke Pinnock and others…Saunders and others…suggesting that in order to maintain human freedom and human choice (and the validity of human freedom and choice in every context and every sphere) that God isn’t in control of the future. Now let me go quickly towards the theology of suffering and suggest here some perspectival principles: All suffering, including illness, is a consequence of Adamic sin. [Laughter] Why did God make alligators and crocodiles? She had no peace. It’s Romans 8:28…that everything that happens to us, all our circumstances in our Christian lives are ordered by God for furthering the good of final salvation. That’s exactly what I said! It gives us the strength and fitness of uniting to Christ more closely in illness and approaching death. We are the result of the corruption and fallenness of Adam, and the federal nature of Adam’s representation of the rest of humanity, “as in Adam, all died.” Every single individual in this world is a consequence in some form of another of Adamic sin. We’re in a world that has fallen. Do you remember the first lesson Paul learnt on his first missionary journey? They were meant for the likes of you and me. And that is the conundrum (at least, the philosophical conundrum) with regard to suffering. Lewis’s Problem of Pain. Answer: To be “passible” is to be “capable of feeling, especially suffering” or to be “susceptible to emotion.” When theologians speak of God’s “passibility” versus His “impassibility,” they are referring to His freedom to respond emotionally versus a perceived lack of empathy for His creatures. Distress implies an external and usually temporary cause of great physical or mental strain and stress. I can’t answer all of the questions. Even if it does solve something intellectually for some and seems to cross an “i” or dot a “t” in one’s intellectual trajectory with relation to the suffering of evil, I can’t imagine that these folk are really involved in trying to be a comfort to people that you say you can turn a corner, you can get on an interstate outside this hotel complex (and we’re looking down at the traffic that seems to go on night and day and keep you awake) and imagine that two miles out of Dallas, all of a sudden God isn’t in control and it’s all up to you…and probably up to the guy in the car who’s weaving left and right beside you. FaithGateway is brought to you by HarperCollins Christian Publishing and is dedicated to helping you grow and share your faith. We believe in a day of judgment, and afterwards the just punishment of sinners in hell forever. It was, I suppose, a no-holds-barred Presbyterian predestinarian sermon reflecting on the issue of suffering and providence. Secondly, blessing is not automatically derived from suffering. ‘He weaves,’ the preacher said, ‘not only the fabric that produces joy and righteousness, but also that which produces agony and evil. New Thought’s central thesis is that there is hidden power within everyone that is meant to be unlocked through positive thinking.According to Bowler,In the years following World War II, the resurgenc… Physical evils of sickness and pain and unproductive suffering. The context of course of Romans 8 is that “those whom God hath predestined, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, He also glorified.” And the good of Romans 8 is the good of glorification: that everything that happens to us furthers our glorification. I urge you to study these references in their contexts, to develop a more comprehensive biblical theology of suffering. We may then find ourselves wavering, frantically searching for prosperity and blessing that we believe is the Christian experience, rather than obediently moving forward in the steps of the Savior. It’s the problem of believing. Christianity is an invitation to trust God’s love at all times and in all situations because of the cross. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines suffering as “the state or experience of ones that suffers” and “pain.” Distress, suffering, misery, and agony mean the state of being in great trouble. But I take refuge in the fact that there are many, many Psalms that do exactly the same. He possesses a large family, good health, many servants, flocks of multiple species of livestock, and is considered the greatest of all men in the East (Job 1.13). But God made a crocodile for His own glory, and that’s the only answer that Job was given. Lewis’s The Problem of Pain. She died in a state of complete torment, emotionally. Thus we tend to regard suffering as a necessary evil which God permits and/or dispenses as a result of a fallen creation. She was dying of cancer. I venture to suggest that’s probably what this reporter was suggesting — that there are things that God simply isn’t in control of…trivial things…and perhaps for moral reasons to obviate the problem of God’s involvement in pain and suffering, that God is less than sovereign. Fourthly, that empathetic suffering where one person’s grief affects another…and sometimes we do suffer because we are sympathizing with another…I think in very personal family circumstances we enter into the suffering of another in order to empathize, in order to help, in order to encourage. Meaning and purpose a. The casualties of “by faith” formulas. My understanding of the universe, or of God, or of theodicy would not be bent out of shape if there were no crocodiles in the world. Ken Wytsma is a leader, innovator, and social entrepreneur. If your expectation is that life is always going to be wonderful, that suffering and pain have no right to manifest themselves in your life, that when they come, they come as a total shock and surprise, then you don’t have all of the armor that you need to face evil and suffering. And the fact is it was neither, but rather that the works of God might be made manifest through him, Jesus says. And he puts on… [I was going to say a torch, but you Americans think of that as something else]…a flashlight. It was Bildad, Zophar, and Eliphaz’s contention that Job had sinned — either a big sin or a little sin, a sin in his past, a sin in his youth that he can’t even remember and recollect anymore; that all that he needs to do is confess his sin and he would see God coming and restoring him again. Even when it does not make sense, God remains God in the midst of suffering and pain.”. We’d love to hear from you! Amen. They were Biblicists in the sense that everything must come to the touchstone of sola Scriptura, including the conundrums of suffering. I think of the man born blind in the Gospel of John. I have always failed from a pastoral point of view to see how that can be even remotely comforting. And secondly, I want us to look at various responses to evil, and again I want to do that in the generic form. A theology of the cross, by contrast, accepts the difficult thing rather than immediately trying to change it or transmute it. There isn’t a circumstance, there isn’t a set of contingencies where our Savior hasn’t gone before…in every trial, in every difficulty. In LDS theology, I believe, it is the large context for all humans that gives meaning to suffering. It’s a Psalm…it’s the darkest Psalm in the Psalter. I like sometimes to use the illustration of a man who’s in a cave somewhere deep down in the ground where there’s no light whatsoever…not a ray of light. Our life is a vapor that appears for a moment and then is gone…that we live for an eternal city…that we mustn’t set down our roots in this world too deep, but that we must live our lives as those who are packed up and ready to go. I think he begins adding a particular concept that suffering can be educative; it can teach us something and instruct us something. If you live a profligate lifestyle and contract AIDS as a result of it, you are to blame. We want happy hymns, we want clappy hymns, and we want to feel good. Is He both able and willing? The question of the meaning of suffering, in many ways an impenetrable question, finds an answer, above all, in the Passion of Jesus. Suffering. The Bible has so much, then, to say to us about suffering. It is, for example, what open theism has been advocating in the last five or ten years. Original reason for suffering 3. Entry for 'Suffering' - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - One of 28 Bible dictionaries freely available, this dictioanry connects all Old Testament and New Testament content on … They are weariness and toil. Join the conversation on our blog! [And I notice that David is here, too, and he ministered to Catherine more than I did in the last number of days. A friend of mine, Alex Mutagubya, is the founder of Transform African Ministries and pastor of the City Church in Kampala, Uganda. They were good pastors. Example of job ii. Actually there’s a better answer…the catechism answer: “For His own glory.” Now I don’t understand that. suffering. If I choose to order catfish instead of chicken for lunch one Sunday at the Crystal Grill, is that God’s will at work? it’s at the heart of the atonement that Jesus suffered in our place, the just for the unjust, to bring us to God. In suffering voluntarily and innocently, Christ gives the answer to the question about suffering and its meaning. I think the issue of unproductive suffering, suffering that hasn’t yet produced that fruit of the Spirit, is a pastoral issue. And it’s a considerable problem, the sense of “right” that we now feel to not just health, but youthfulness and beauty. 'grieving') emphasizes the nature of souls' experience in Purgatory; they are suffering the temporal consequences of their sins to redemptive effect. And it seems to me…let me say something about the latter: that as Christians, and particularly as pastors and elders, we need to see the way in which the Bible actually addresses the latter. What can I learn from this particular sickness? When he comes back and gives his report of his first missionary journey, what does he say? Why do the righteous suffer? We live our lives with the expectation and sometimes a feeling of right that we will live to 80 or 90 or 100 or 110, or 120. And it was of Eyore, because I think my daughter saw something in me of a reflection of the character of Eyore! I think those are two books that ought to be on everyone’s bookshelf. But he is right, I think, in this when he says in God, Freedom, and Evil that a person for whom some specific evil is presenting itself as a religious problem, what they need, I think, is pastoral care more than a course on philosophical apologetics. Nietzsche and the Problem of Suffering Van Harvey on the metaphysical aspects of an anti-metaphysical philosophy. [Somebody will tell me in a minute!] Harper, a Bible teacher, author and speaker, explores the theology of suffering through her recently released Bible study, Job: A Story of Unlikely Joy. A false theology of suffering emerged that was built on the hypothesis that the meritorious suffering of Jesus, though necessary for the redemption of God’s people, is not complete—there is additional merit that can be added to it by the suffering of the saints. You remember? Like Paul and Silas, sitting in a damp, dark prison cell, ankles raw from heavy chains, singing loudly enough so that all the other prisoners could hear, so should we lift our voices. Well, the language of Job 3, cursing the day in which he was born, wishing that he had died in his mother’s womb so that his mother’s womb would forever be his grave; the language of Jeremiah 20. Nothing tests our love for God more than suffering and trials, and the death of someone we love, or the illness of someone we love more than anyone else in this world, apart from Jesus. a. At the end of the day the problem of suffering is not the problem of suffering, it’s the problem of faith. Fourthly, suffering…our own suffering and those whom we love…is a test and challenge to our faith in God’s love, and it tests it to the utmost. I don’t mean that in any other sense but the way I say it. And yet, He doesn’t shield us from suffering (John 15:20; Acts 14:22; 2 Tim. And, thirdly, I would suggest that illness may have a prospective disciplinary sanctifying purpose without bearing any relation to past sins. And then, another issue that I’ve already touched on, the disregard of the psychosomatic links. Then He is impotent. God has abandoned them. Those who succumb to suffering must have had inadequate faith. Follow Ken Wytsma on: Let’s begin by addressing something of what theologians and philosophers sometimes euphemistically call the problem of evil. [Laughter], “Maybe a person has to believe in predestination to fully grasp the concept, but I cannot quite get my mind around the idea that God’s hand is in everything I do or that is done to me. — Psalm 40:1. To reject evil and suffering. The words and phrases in the Bible expressing this concept are too numerous to list. And I think the Bible does speak of empathetic suffering. John 1:35; 2:1-11; Matt 4:17-22), and quickly became the leader of the band of disciples (Matt 10:1-4), a position he held into the earliest days of the post-resurrection church (Acts 1-15). Well, I trust that that will be of some help to you. He is perhaps the most visible of the disciples whose discipleship to Jesus transitions from following Jesus around Palestine in the earthly ministry, to following a crucified … “It is through many tribulations that we enter the kingdom of God.” That’s his philosophy of the Christian life. And when we speak of the problem of evil, we sometimes address it in at least two different ways — natural evil and moral evil. Even Jesus was tempted by suffering. That sometimes is an avenue that is adopted in order to maintain and secure human freedom. Of course it’s at the heart of the atonement that Jesus suffered in our place, the just for the unjust, to bring us to God. Sixthly, eternal suffering must be a part of a theology of suffering: that suffering is a part of the universe forever.We believe in a day of judgment, and afterwards the just punishment of sinners in hell forever. I really don’t understand that. It is the default, for example, of Job’s friends. And there is, I think, in a theology of suffering the reality that in the universe there will always be suffering. What that man had done was one of the cruelest things I’ve seen. I think that’s the way we should live our lives, and I think that in modern America — modern North America in particular — we tend not to live our lives that way. It is easy for us to see God in our blessings, but can we see God in our trials? It was one of the most blatant…non-Calvinistic, but non-biblical attempts in public that I’d seen for many a year. David, I’ve just seen you. Then I want at least to try and attempt a biblical theology of suffering and to look at all the various ways (at least, as many as we can) in which the Bible actually addresses the issue of suffering. What I sometimes think is more of a platonic concept of the body rather than a biblical concept of the body. To abandon God’s omnipotence. “This isn’t an epic story of good and evil. And another is to modify God’s goodness. The church is not meant to be a loosely bound association of functional Lone Rangers. We must never rule that out, and certainly there is the involvement of Satan in the suffering of Job. He suffered on behalf of others in order to prevent somebody else dying; he gave himself. I just want to suggest them for the fullness of this seminar on a biblical theology of suffering. Throughout the Psalms, we are told to sing a “new song” to the Lord. If your expectation is that life is always going to be wonderful, that suffering and pain have no right to manifest themselves in your life, that when they come, they come as a total shock and surprise, then you don’t have all of the armor that you need to face evil and suffering, are ordered by God for furthering the good of final salvation in heaven, and are occasions for practicing faith and hope and love, and the disciplines that constitute and ripen the fruit of the Spirit, God uses not just medicine but uses our prayers as well. Songs of suffering help us endure our seasons of fatigue. So that’s the plan, that’s the trajectory down which I want us to go in the next 45 minutes or so. And, twelve (and this is the end), we have no good reason to be discouraged. And Eyore is saying to his friends, “Have a nice day…if it is a nice day…which I doubt.” And it’s in my study and I look at it every day. So taking half a truth and making it the whole truth, it becomes an untruth. I think that one of the things, for example, that the church has lost is a grasp of the canon of the Psalter. Firstly, that all suffering including illness is a consequence of Adamic sin. I was visiting the hospice. To modify God’s goodness. However difficult it may be for us to understand the extent of the retribution for what is, you might suggest, a white lie about the price of a piece of real estate that the church had no business knowing anyway…you might attempt, though I don’t advise it, to philosophize on Ananias and Sapphira in that way. The Psalms complain a lot. God brings suffering into the lives of some people that they might be vehicles to minister to us. There are arguments to suggest, for example, that Islam modified the goodness of God. They’ve lived thirty or forty years in anger and resentment. The biblical theology of suffering in this world, in this existence, in the tension between the now and the not yet…in that eschatological tension between what this world now is and what it one day will be, all sin and all suffering is the result of Adamic sin. Secondly, I would say that all circumstances in our Christian lives are ordered by God for furthering the good of final salvation in heaven, and are occasions for practicing faith and hope and love, and the disciplines that constitute and ripen the fruit of the Spirit. That’s his philosophy of Christian work. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties.” He concluded with one of the more astonishing spiritual truths of the New Testament, “For when I am weak, then I am strong.” (2 Corinthians 12:9-10). Just for the sake of argument, let’s say that. Suffering prepares us for more glory. This article evaluates the experience of suffering and its redemptive value in the light of St. John Paul II’s Theology of the Body. Speaking on the differences between the African and the American church, and on the African Christians’ greater resilience in the face of trials, he said, “There is, within the African Christian community, a robust acknowledgment of spiritual warfare that informs the church’s ability to endure the agony of fatigue. This exhortation is specifically identified as a passage of Scripture in Hebrews 12. She had teenage girls, three of them, and her husband. It is designed to build our trust in the Almighty, but suffering requires the right response if it is to be successful in accomplishing God’s purposes. It reminds me of my daughter, but it also reminds me of something about myself and about how others sometimes see me. God then ends up … ), but they have been down in the dumps, saying things like “I wish I’d never been born. To abandon God’s omnipotence. I don’t know if Psalm 88 is familiar to you; if you tell me it’s your favorite Psalm, you are in need of counseling, big time! The book of Job shows us there can be two ways to respond to suffering: one that curses God because of suffering and one that praises God, even in the midst of suffering (Job 2:9–10). You know, that’s in the end the conclusion of the book of Job. 5, ed. Privacy Policy | Term and Conditions. And then they recount the shovels, and there’s none missing. Eliphaz, for example, in his opening speech [and with friends like this, of course, who needs enemies? It is at this point that we expose ourselves to the charge of Hebrews. She had contracted cancer exactly one year before, and for twelve months or so her family, and especially her mother, kept a blog online at the Caring Bridge Center with daily — sometimes twice or three times daily — entries. It’s meant to instruct us in the way of righteousness. You can be a skeptic. To possess the Scriptures, to read the Scriptures, to hear the Scriptures, there are no substitutes. One possible avenue, of course, is the avenue of dualism: that evil and good are equally ultimate, and that we live in a dualistic world. The Bible doesn’t even begin to attempt to answer that particular question directly, simply to assert that God is in absolute and total control. And that good that all things work together for good in Romans 8:28 is not necessarily the good of tomorrow, or the good of the next day. He is the president of Kilns College, where he teaches courses on philosophy and justice. You get out of life exactly what you put into it, no more and no less.’ Well, that is of course partly true. Another response (one is the abandonment of omnipotence, and another is the abandonment of God’s control of the future). 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