Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. An additional update. My local Toyota dealers price their atf competitively, meaning it’s almost not worth it to buy aftermarket and wonder if you’ll be alright. A counterpoint question - How much are you saving by not using Toyota fluids vs the cost of a rebuilt transmission? Here tis clean and detailed folks and go see the Kia dealer for the next year if you've got a problem ;). I'd be guessing it's never been changed – we bought the car at 140k and I doubt the previous owner did it before then. Considering the Elfmatic MV did not meet WS specs, I really don't understand why the shop would fill the tranny, twice with this oil. The first order from 'Toyota of North Miami Parts' was completely beat to hell, the Toyota box was wrapped in plastic to keep it together and the spouts were folded into the containers and many of them were leaking. Suggestions. - Sediment dislodged and blocked some super fine channels supplying ATF to some part of transmission. If it turns out to be too expensive at least 3 drain/refills several weeks apart, then one every 2 years.Either way you still need to get the fluid level check done properly, too often people end up with their trannies underfilled or way overfilled after the service. Do you mind sharing which shop/expert is this so I know which one to steer clear of as I am in Adelaide as well. 5/30…10/30…etc is not a specification. Same viscosity, same additive pack, even the same formulation of the additive pack. Provides optimum frictional performance and durability for consistently smooth shifting over the life of the transmission. As expected, transmission fluid leaked out. Here are the specs: https://www.lubenz.co.nz/automatic-transmission-fluid/58-elfmatic-mv.html. Would this be considered a full flush since all in all, 6 litres were drained and replaced over the 10,000km and does that mean there are no more remnants of the original WS in the transmission, TC and lines? Does this mean 6.5L is the total capacity of transmission oil in the transmission, torque converter and the lines? I was thinking of using Vavoline MAX LIFE ATF. :(. WS (World Standard) ATF alternative (Toyota cars), I do not think much of Toyota any more with their marketing strategies even though they still make a. I agree the "no change" policy is difficult to justify. What’s more, the dealership and/or manufacturer often just approved the warranty repairs, so as to not risk damaging the dealership and/or manufacturer’s reputation. Besides, it seems as though you have in mind to try it anyway. $330 for every 100,000km is pretty good value. So it's gonna be similar to any other modern low viscosity, low zinc ATF .... Edit: Penrite LV ATF is 5.7 cST @100, so it's bang on within range for the Toyota WS. The funnel was hooked to engine hood gas struct. Share to: Can ATF 4 replace Atf 3? Aisin actually builds the Toyota automatic transmissions, as far as I know. No Toyota T-IV in 03, 04 was first for WS. Correct fluid level is indicated by having unsteady drips coming out from drain hole which has the straw fully screwed in, providing the fluid temperature is within range. did you have to use a pump to flush the lines? In their product info sheet they state that it WILL NOT void vechele warranty and if you or your customer have any transmission issues while using it to please contact them. Edit: Penrite LV ATF is 5.7 cST @100, so it's bang on within range for the Toyota WS. What specification is out? I did check Valvoline Maxlife ATF but the specs indicate viscosity is outside the specs of the Toyota WS. Also, they knew that if they approved such a repair, there was a fair chance the customer would buy their next product there, and would spread the good word to friends, neighbors, etc. The alternative is to buy aftermarket fluid, or buy factory fluid from another source . If you do not flush how you know if it is safe to mix OEM with aftermarket, remember that aftermarket fluid may not be licensed and you cannot compare the two specifications as the aftermarket only publish 6 or 8 out of a possible 24 to 36 specifications. whereas number 6 for the 7th year jumps up to $550 so maybe it's trans fluid change time like the Mitsi fourby including its transfer case and diffs. The out sourced transmission warranty repair specialists recommended "Phoenix PX Transmatic LV" which is a local Australian company located here in Victoria , Dandenong though it does seem as much as Toyota want to not admit it seems you can use any specified fully synthetic WS (World Standard) oil which brings down the price to a reasonable $30-$50 AUS and if you can find a reputable transmission specialist they should charge you between $150 and $250 for a full service which includes the oil filter kit and oil change instead of Toyota. He mentioned changing the filter too, so I really now need to confirm he will perform a flush, and not just a drain and refill once. Modern car owners have to understand car tech and materials tech is changing all the time and requires very specific fluid technology and it's simply not worth penny pinching and getting it wrong. Hyundai: WS transmission fluid, spec NWS-9638; Lexus, Toyota. FAST 'N FREE. In their product info sheet they state that it WILL NOT void vechele warranty and if you or your customer have any transmission issues while using it to please contact them. Ryco makes aftermarket kits – RTK166 for Aurion – and I've used the filter and the rubber o-ring, but for the gasket I went with the Toyota part. I asked about using WS oil, and they were ok with this, just needed to bring in about 12 litres IIRC. The type of ATF used in Toyota automobiles is determined by the transmission in that particular car. Now at 210,000km and 16 years and still shifts flawlessly, by all accounts putting this in should have caused all sorts of doom and gloom if you believe the fud on the interwebs. In the manual, there was only a two liner which states 2.5L for drain and fill. Like how Toyota Type T-IV ATF was available as Mobil 3309 ATF. If its a 4WD then it makes sense to remove the dipstick to keep it a sealed system. But if transmission is Toyota/Aisin 6 speed, I’d be careful and follow proven method which is drain and fill. I asked what he used TRANSMAX He said I said you are an idiot as i had just spent the above to get rid of it and car had only done 10,000km since Takes all types of "experts" doesnt it. So is this the best option to use if you don't use Toyota WS fluid?https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/penrite-penrite-lv-automatic-transmission-fluid---lv-4-litre/396357.html, I found this:http://www.phoenixlubricants.com.au/13web/pdf/PX%20Technician%20Series%20Transmatic%20LV%20PDS.pdf. As transmissions are upgraded and improved, so must the automatic transmission fluid be upgraded. It's shifting smoother. Once flushed out, transmission starts to slip. making it basically a guessing game informed by other people's experiences. So Penrite it is. The Toyota ATF is really good stuff, and if you go to any of the Toyota 4WD forums (Pradopoint, Lcool), there's a lot of discussion about the merits of the factory oil and the alternatives. That is NOT a warrantee. Automatic Transmission Fluid Type T-IV (ATF-0T4) JWS3309 AISIN 00004320528 00004330554 000077114E01 04954514999885 10106042K 1161540 11615408 22689186 22697447 3104300 83220402413 88900925 95830090100 97351003170 97351003186 97353001001 990B001001 ATF0T4 JWS3309 Aisin Type T4 is a specific formulation engineered to meet ATF Requirements for … I was thinking of using Vavoline MAX LIFE ATF. Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. Any ideas why the trans oil change was done twice in 10k? I hope that will be sufficient for a full flush. My vehicles are 10 years old and I am sure oil technology has improved. Remember if your engine or trans fails it's usually at a stage where the cost of replacement junks the car. This stuff has been on my car for 60,000km! The following sentence copied from the law states very clearly “…This means that a vehicle’s warranty cannot be “voided;” the dealer can only deny a claim if the stock part failed due to damage or unreasonable use…”. Think I've used 11-12l of Penrite ATF LV all up.It helps to have an assistant to run the car through the gears when it's pumping out the old fluid with the engine running. When check fluid level at the end, Make sure oil temperature is within 40-45C, or 10X F, with infrared temperature gun pointing at the oil pan. You can see all the listings here under the specifications tab at the bottom-https://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/atf-lv-full-synand what I suspect is the new LV rating is largely for lock up clutch torque converter cars and you probably use any LV rated ATF in your car although I guess Toyota and Mazda are saying use our special blend and you'll know it's the best ;), Well note that PX Technician Series which includes Toyota WS also includes Mazda FZ specification-http://www.phoenixlubricants.com.au/13web/pdf/PX%20Technician%20Series%20Transmatic%20LV%20PDS.pdf. We were specifically told that none of those parts were necessarily voiding the warranty. Mobil 3324, has the right specs and plenty of people (Bobs forums) seem to think it is the real deal (MSDS for Toyota list Mobil). Toyota Genuine WS Automatic Transmission Fluid: Was 2003 the first year Toyota WS ATF fluid was installed at factory? 252-2006 ©2018 Federal-Mogul Motorparts LLC. I've seen VOA's of ATF WS. 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